Knuckles vs Piccolo
Knuckles vs Piccolo
For this well be Canon Material so no Archie or no Xeno only Manga, Anime and Games. Both of them are getting their usual equipment so no Dragon Balls or No Item boxes as Knuckles doesn't have them on him.
Background
Piccolo
After Demon King Piccolo was defeated by the hands of Son Goku with the last of his power to spit out an egg to create his son Piccolo Jr who would avenge him . After hatching Piccolo trains for 3 years until the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament where he would face off against Goku after a long battle Piccolo would lose but Goku would let him live to have him as a rival to fight against Piccolo would continue training during that time until one day he would encountered by a Saiyan Warrior named Raditz who found him whilst looking for Goku after Piccolo used his most powerful attack against Raditz which didn't faze him at all Raditz would pick up another high Power Level and Ignore Piccolo and fly to his new target. Piccolo would follow Raditz to Kame House where he would listen to Raditz plan to destroy the Planet after seeing Goku beaten up he offers to help save his son Gohan from Raditz. Together they would follow Raditz and fight against him despite being outmatched they would defeat Raditz with Piccolo's new technique called Special Beam Cannon but Goku sacrificed himself to kill Raditz so that Piccolo can hit his Beam. After finding out that more Saiyan's will come to earth he would take Goku's son to prepare him to fight against the Sayain's. After training Gohan for a year the Saiyan's would arrive and they would fight for a long time Piccolo would end up sacrificing himself for Gohan and admit to him that he saw him like a son.
After dying he alongside Yamcha, Tien and Chiaotzu would end up on King Kai's Planet where they would go through the same training as Goku. After Krillin, Gohan and Dende would gather the namekian dragon balls to wish Piccolo back he would be brought to Planet Namek where he would fuse with another Namekian named Nail which increased his Power to unbelievable amount after a power boost Piccolo would help Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta fight against Frieza in his second form. Frieza realized that his second form wouldn't be enough so he would transform again into a stronger form in which Piccolo couldn't keep up and would end up being beaten until Goku arrived to fight Frieza after Goku uses the Spirit Bomb on Frieza assuming he was dead they would celebrate as Frieza rises and Piccolo would shield Goku from one of Frieza's beams knocking out Piccolo to the verge of death after witnessing that and Frieza blowing up Krilin Goku would unleash his Super Saiyan powers and tell Gohan to take Piccolo to leave Namek alongside Bulma. During that time Mr.Popo would gather earths Dragon Balls to revive everyone who was killed by the Hand's of Frieza allowing Dende to use their last wish to bring everyone except Frieza and Goku to Planet earth to safety. After they arrived safely to earth Dende would heal Piccolo. After 260 days (2 Namekian years) they wish back everyone who died during their battle against the Saiyans and they wish to bring the Namekians to a new planet however Piccolo decides to stay on earth to watch over Gohan and protect him and protect earth leaving his past behind and becoming a protector of earth.
Knuckles
One day whilst protecting the Emerald a giant space station would crash on Angel Island when Knuckles went to investigate he found a scientist called Dr. Ivo Robotnik who explained that a Hedgehog and a Fox called Sonic and Tails caused his Space Station to crash on the Island and that they stole the Chaos Emeralds believing Eggman Knuckles starts looking for Sonic and Tails. When Sonic arrived on the Island he would ambush him and knock him out of his Super form and steal the Chaos Emerald after trapping Sonic and Tails numerous times throughout their Journey he would visit the Hidden Palace which is where the Master Emerald was held to his surprise however Sonic and Tails also made it to the Palace and after a fighting against them he would lose. After his defeat he would hear a explosion coming from where the Emerald was stored to his shock Eggman was trying to steal the Master Emerald figuring out he was deceived he would try and stop Eggman from stealing the Emerald however he would be electrocuted. Realizing that Sonic and Tails weren't the bad guys he would accompany them to Sky Sanctuary where they could make it in time on top the Death Egg however Knuckles would stay behind due to him being exhausted. After defeating Eggman Sonic and Tails would bring back the Master Emerald to Knuckles to guard him.
Days pass and Angel Island would be attacked by one of the Eggrobos. Knuckles would follow the Eggrobo all the way to Sky Sanctuary where he would be captured and brought to Mecha Sonic who stole the Master Emerald to power himself up. Knuckles could free himself from Eggrobo's Egg mobile which led to their fight where Knuckles would come out victorious but their fight cause the stage to collapse fortunately Knuckles was saved by Sonic with his Tornado and he would be dropped off back again by Angel Island with the Emerald. After being saved by Sonic he decided to become an ally to help him out whenever he needs him even commanding a resistance against Eggman after Sonic was captured.
Abilities
Piccolo
Martial Arts Mastery
Flight
Ki Manipulation
- Energy Manipulation/Energy Projection
- Breath Attack: can shoots out Ki Blasts out of his Mouth.
- Heat and Light Generation: Ki attacks can generate heat and Light.
- Aura: Ki users emit Aura. Aura can crush weaker opponents, Generate Heat and create weapons out of Ki.
- Explosion Manipulation: Ki can also cause Explosions.
- Electricity Manipulation: via Bankoku-Bikkuri-Shou which Piccolo can use.
- Extrasensory Perception and Information Analysis: Piccolo can detect enemies from far away and also read their power level.
- Statistic Amplification: Ki users can increase and suppress their Power Levels.
- Limited Telepathy: Ki users can project images in their Minds which Krillin and Gohan used to learn moves whilst on their way to Namek.
- Stealth Mastery: Ki users can prevent being detected by lowering their Power Levels.
- Empowerment: by being encouraged Ki users can increase their Power.
- Dimension Travel/Sound Manipulation/Space and Time Manipulation and Portal Creation: Characters such as Gotenks and Super Buu can create dimensional rifts and destroy Space and Time and pocket dimensions with their energy. Anyone stronger than them can do same.
- Limited Attack Nullification: Weaker Ki blasts can be suppressed and nullified.
- Non-Physical Interaction: Ki can interact with intangible ki blasts and abstract beings.
- Limited Resurrection: Goku was capable of resurrecting himself with Ki blast.
- Clairvoyance/Psychic Navigation: Goku visualized places whiles trying to look for Vegeta's Ki.
- Forcefield Creation: Ki users can create forcefields.
- Electricity Generation: Ki Blasts can generate Minor amounts of electricity.
- Vibration Manipulation: by powering up characters can shake the area they are in.
- Limited Weather Manipulation: Ki users can change the weather by powering up.
Elasticity
Piccolo can stretch his Arms to grab or restrain an enemy.
Regenration
Duplication
Danmaku
via Hellzone Grenade
Cloth and Weapon Manipulation
Immortality
Type 1: Was given his fathers eternal youth.
Type 3: can regenerate any body parts as long as his head is in tact.
Telepathy
Accelerated Development
via Training
Magic/Sealing
Fusionism
Enhanced Senses
Namekians have enhanced hearing and Piccolo could hear Raditz Plan whilst hiding in Kame House saying he knew everything.
Size Manipulation
Healing and Stamina Recovery
via Senzu Beans
Vehicular Mastery
Has driven a car.
Knuckles
Surface Scaling
Flight
Bodily Weaponry
via Spindash
Elasticity
Underground Mobility
Knuckles can dig through the Ground.
Enhanced Senses
with his Sunglasses he can see invisible objects.
Afterimage creation
via Boost ModeFire Manipulation
by using Spiral Upper his fist engulf in fire.
Shockwave Generation
Vibration Manipulation
Light Manipulation
Explosion Manipulation
Ground Manipulation
Healing and Forcefield Creation
With Knuckles Guard he can heal using the power of the earth and create a purple spherical field which protect him from attacks.
Statistics Amplification
Electricity Manipulation
Paralysis Manipulation
Sound Manipualtion
can stun enemies by screaming.
Vehicular Mastery
Extrasensory Perception
Fire Generation
Barrier Negation
Telekinesis
Stamina Recovery
Regeneration Negation
The Full Power of the Chaos Emerald could negate Solaris's regeneration which is referred to as immaterial. (Low Godly).
Invincibility and Invincibility Negation
Knuckles in his Super Form is in Invincible and he can hurt other Super Forms such as Super Sonic and Super Mecha Sonic.
Underwater Breathing
Hyper Knuckles can stay underwater indefinitely.
Resistance
Piccolo
- Heat and Ice Manipulation: The Hyperbolic Time Chamber has temperatures reaching - 40°F to 248°F.
- Empathic Manipulation: can resist Ribrianne's Light of Love.
- Poison Manipulation: Barriers can keep Poison out.
Knuckles
- Heat Manipulation: Can stand near Lava without any issues. Can also survive falling into a star.
- Corrision Manipulation: Can fight the Void who can corrode away life.
- Time Manipulation: isn't affected by Eggman rewinding time.
- Ice Manipulation: is unphased by arctic water.
- Radiation Manipulation: can stand near radio active material without consequences.
- Acid Manipulation: can withstand Acid Rain.
- Sound/Electricity Manipulation and Transmutation: can resist the effects of Magenta, Ivory and Cube Wisps.
- Mind Manipulation and Existence Erasure: Kept his conscious after being erased by The Time Eater.
- Memory Manipulation: Chaos Emerald can prevent Memory Loss.
- Diseases and Biological Manipulation: The Metal Virus stopped spreading when Sonic entered his Super Form.
Equipment
Piccolo
Weighted Clothes
Senzu Beans
Senzu Bean are beans that can heal anyone who eats it in an instant from any Injury and it replenishes Stamina. Piccolo keeps some with him.
Knuckles
Chaos Emeralds
Powerful Gems that characters like Knuckles use to harness its Power it is used to Power space stations and to the turn into Super forms.
Super Emeralds
The Super Emeralds are enhanced versions of the Chaos Emeralds which can be used to transform into Hyper forms.
Shovel Claw
Fighting Gloves
Hammer Gloves
Air Necklace
A necklace which allows Knuckles to stay underwater without drowning.
Sunglasses
Mole Bombs
Transformations
Potential Unleashed Piccolo
Ultimate Piccolo or Potential Unleashed Piccolo is a form where Piccolo uses his Power to the Fullest.
Orange Piccolo
Orange Piccolo is a Form that Piccolo unlocked by wishing his potential to be unlocked by Shenron. It is his strongest Form making as strong as Goku and the rest of the Z Fighter top fighters.
Super Knuckles
Super Knuckles is a form which uses the energy of the Chaos Emeralds which makes him several times stronger and faster than his base form.
Hyper Knuckles
After using the Super Emeralds he can transform into Hyper Knuckles a Form which makes him Invulnerable and massively stronger than his Super form.Feats
Piccolo
Speed
- His Beam reach the Moon in seconds. (0.40c-0.54c)
- He alongside Yamcha, Tien and Chiaotzu's cross the Snake Way in a Week. (Mach 1.29)
- Piccolo tagged a Spaceship going fullspeed.
- The same ship took a few days to travel to earth from hundreds of light-years away. (52838.37c)
- Flew from Dr.Gero's Lab to Kami's Place.
- Can keep up with Frost, Imperfect Cell and Android 17.
Durability
- Survived Nappa's Blast.
- Traded Gut Punches with Android 17. (Gif above)
- Survived a Beam from Frieza.
- Endured attacks from 3rd form Frieza.
- Can survive a blast from Gamma 2.
Knuckles
- Defeated Mecha Sonic.
- Knocked Sonic out of his Super Form.
- Became the resistances leader after Sonic was captured.
- Defeated Chaos.
- Defeated Heavy King after he used the Master Emerald to power up.
Strength
- can casually walk trough Marble Pillars.
- can punch barricades hard enough they cause explosions.
- Stronger than Eggman who can punch around Vehicles. (0.3 - 0.6 Tons of TNT)
- One Chaos Emerald can move fragments of the earth. (50.07 yottatons of TNT - 0.47 Foe)
- Super Knuckles uses all 7 Emeralds so we could theoretically multiply it by 7. (350,49 yottatons of TNT - 3.29 Foe)
- Can lift and throw chunks of rocks.
- Punched the ground hard enough to split a Cliff.
Speed
Durability
- can survive getting electrocuted.
- can survive a fall from Flying Battery to Sandopolis.
- Alongside Sonic and Tails survived getting launched into Eggmans base.
- can survive getting squashed by 16 Tons.
- can survive hits from Chaos.
Scalling
Z Fighters
- Vegeta destroys the hyperbolic time chamber.
- The Hyperbolic time chamber is a infinite sized dimension. (Universal)
- Goku and Beerus nearly destroyed the entire macrocosm in their fight. (3 - 1755 times Universal)
- The shockwaves produced by the attack travelled through the entire Universe in seconds. (1.747 Quintillion times FTL - 506.772 sextillion times FTL)
- Vegeta as a kid was stronger than his father who destroyed three planets. (1.8 Quettatons of TNT)
- Goku dodges Rocks. (9.5 Trillion times FTL)
- Goku flies from King Kai's Planet to Hell in 32 seconds. (74.9 Quadrillion times FTL)
- Roshi's pissed on the Moon first. (1.3 - 27.75 yottatons of TNT)
- It took 12 seconds to reach. (0.10c)
- Roshi destroys a Mountain. (7.4 Megatons - 3.8 Gigatons of TNT)
Dragon Ball Villains
- Cell stated that he could destroy the entire Solar System. (1.053 Kilofoe)
- Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta. (4.8 Quettatons of TNT - 758,93 Foe)
- Buu destroys a Galaxy. (105 Exafoe)
- Vegeta destroys Planet Arlia. (7.225 Quettatons of TNT - 1.94 KiloQuettatons of TNT) (I'm including this here cuz it popped in my mind now if it popped earlier it would have been by the Z Fighters category.)
- Vegeta's Galick Gun was gonna destroy the Planet. (same but this one popped up after the previous one)
Sonic and Friends
- Sonic broke a chain that was connected to Little Planet. (3.2 Teratons of TNT)
- Sonic dodges a Laser. (7.7 times speed of light)
- Tails can lift 10 Tons.
- Sonic was sucked into a Black Hole and survived.
- Emerl captured the Final Egg Blaster which could destroy a star constellation. (465 Exafoe)
- its laser reached a constellation in 5 seconds. (58 Billion times FTL)
- Sonic survived the Explosion of the Paradox Crystal which shattered the entire Universe. (Universal)
- Super Sonic flew to the Moon.
- Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy stop a Train.
Sonic Villains
Weaknesses
Piccolo
Piccolo's regeneration is stamina based meaning if he's fatigued he can't regenerate anything. He also has limited Senzu Beans. His Special Beam cannon takes time to charge making him vulnerable.
Knuckles
Knuckles is very naive and gullible believing Eggman who tried to steal the Master Emerald from him Numerous times. Sonic also calls him very predictable. His super and Hyper Form rely on Rings if he runs out he will turn back to his normal state.
Verdict
Strength: at a Lowball both are around Planet to Solar System Level Knuckles through using one Emerald power which can come out to 50,07 yottatons to all the way up to 0.47 Foe whilst Piccolo scales to characters such as Frieza who could destroy Planet Vegeta coming out to around 4.8 Quettatons to 758,93 Foe. So at a Lowball Piccolo is stronger but what about Highballs. Knuckles best is scaling to Time Eater who can destroy a Timeline which is around Universal and also Sonic survived the Paradox Crystal exploding which destroyed a Universe. Compare this to Piccolo who should scale to Goku who in his fight with Beerus nearly destroyed the Universe which comes out at a Lowball to 3 times universal meaning at a Lowball Piccolo is 3 times stronger and at a Highball he's 1755 times stronger and that's not taking into the fact Goku after his fight absorbed that all into his base meaning he can stack his Multipliers and Kaio-ken on top of this. So yeah this point goes to Piccolo.
Speed: Knuckles at the highest can reach 146 Quadrillion times FTL but Piccolo is way faster due to the the shockwaves travelling through the Universe in seconds coming out to around 1.747 Quintillion times lightspeed at a Lowball whilst at a Highball he would be 506.772 Sextillion times FTL.
Hax: Hax wise I gotta give this to Knuckles as he has a lot of answers to stuff such as Piccolo's Regen as Super form can hurt stuff such as Solaris who's got way better Regen than Piccolo. Knuckles also can just draw an infinity symbol to create more rings and he's Invincible in his Super and Hyper forms. He can negate Piccolo's Barrier so Knuckles gets this Point.
Stamina: This one is tricky whilst both have options to recover their Stamina. Knuckles travelled alongside Sonic and Tails for 3 days in Sonic Heroes whilst Piccolo went to train Goten and Trunks in the Hyper Bolic Time Chamber for an 1 Hour in the Hyper Bolic Time Chamber times passes differently 1 Second is 6 Minutes and 1 Minute is 6 Hours and a 1 Hour is 15 Days meaning Piccolo can train for days whilst Knuckles can travel for 3 days so Piccolo has more Stamina. Knuckles does have better Stamina recovery due to Cycloops which can grant him Infinite Boost for a few minutes and can create rings by making circles to increase his time in his Super and Hyper forms.
Equipment: Yeah Piccolo doesn't have much so this goes to Knuckles.
Summary
Piccolo
"TACO BELL!!!"
Advantages
- Takes the Stat Trinity
- Superior Stamina
- can outlast Knuckles Super and Hyper forms
- Could trap Knuckles using the evil containment wave
- can restrain Knuckles with his arms
- can end the fight before Knuckles enters Super
- is in Fortnite
Disadvantages
- Regeneration gets negated
- Inferior Equipment
- Worse stamina recovery
- Barriers get negated
- Him Growing in size doesn't do much
- to use containment wave needs a container
Knuckles
- Can negate Piccolo's Barriers and Regen
- Better Stamina recovery options
- Can deal with Piccolo giant form
- Better Equipment
- Super and Hyper from makes him Invincible
- Can stun Piccolo for a few seconds
- can summon Rings as long as he has Boost meter
- Has the best theme in the entire series
Disadvantages
- Inferior stats
- Inferior Stamina
- can run out of Rings
- has no answer to containment wave
- can be restrained by Piccolos hands
- has limited boost meter
Conclusion
Knuckles has many advantages but in the end he can't do much against someone who's thousands of times faster and stronger. His limited time in his Super and Hyper form also means he has very limited access to his best abilities meaning if he runs out he can do much but Piccolo has the superior stats and Stamina to take down the last of the Echidna race.
I can't find a pun for this one
The Winner is Piccolo
The Next Time
Edward Elric vs Harry Potter
(Fullmetal Alchemist vs Harry Potter)
And also Merry Christmas and New Years to everyone cuz till the next one is posted it'll be 2025 (I know its a bit early but don't care)
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