Sunday, March 22, 2026

Tai Lung vs Azula


Tai Lung vs Azula 


Before we Begin

Whislt these two have pretty forward Canon's I will be using alternative sources as well which I will list down here

Azula

  • Avatar: The Last Airbender
  • Avatar: The Last Airbender Comics
  • Avatar: The Last Airbender: The Promise
  • Avatar: The Last Airbender (Video game)
  • Avatar: The Last Airbender: The Burning Earth
  • Avatar: The Last Airbender: Into the Inferno
Tai Lung
  • Kung Fu Panda 1 - 4
  • Kung Fu Panda: Paws of Destiny
  • Kung Fu Panda: Legends of Awesomeness
  • Kung Fu Panda 1-2 (Video Game)
  • Kung Fu Panda: Legendary Warriors
  • Kung Fu Panda Shorts 
Whilst some stuff has been left out such as Kung Fu Panda: Showdown of Legendary Legends stuff such as statements will be taken from that game.

So Lets Begin

Tai Lung


It all started when little leopard was left on the doorsteps of the Jade Palace the place where great warriors are trained and wise master reside such as Master Shifu who found Tai Lung and took him in. He raised him as his own and later seeing his potential he trained Tai Lung personally hopping to be worthy of becoming the Dragon Warrior. After decades of training he would show his strength and accomplishments to Master Oogway who despite his skill and talent sensed darkness in Tai Lung so he had rejected him as the Dragon Warrior with Shifu sideing with Oogway this made Tai Lung reasonable furious so ended up destroying the Town and tried stealing the Dragon Scroll a Scroll containing "Infinite Power" however he would be stopped by Oogway and imprisioned for decades. However he wouldn't be stuck forever one day he would plan his escape and succed after escaping he would try the same again steal the Dragon Scroll whilst his way to the Palace he would encounter the "worthy" Furious Five who try to stop him only to fail.

After arriving at the Palace he would be face to face with his Mentor and his Father Figure where they would engage in a duel which he would win only to be stopped by the Dragon Warrior Po Ping a fat Panda raised in a noodle shop he had the one thing Tai Lung was looking for the Scroll so he after a silly goose chase Tai Lung would get his hand on the scroll only to find out that its and empty piece of paper enraged that his whole life that he had fought for nothing he attacked Po only for his attacks to be meaningless their fight would end with Po using the Wuxi Finger Hold on Tai Lung and sending him to the Spirit Realm where Tai Lung would reside until he would be brought back by The Chameleon who absorbed Tai Lung's power and hold him captive until Po arrived and give his power back and free him with that he would gain Po's respect and would take the Chameleon along to the Spirit Realm so she could not cause anymore trouble.

Azula


Azula was born into the fire nation as the princess of the Fire Nation being the second child of Ozai. Due to being royalty she mostly was spoiled with wealth and royal priviliges however she wasn't just spoiled as she was very talented. Due to his Mother's attachment towards his older brother Zuko she mostly started becoming jealous of him and with Ozai's influence she became more cruel and manipulative. One day she would hear and order from her grandfather to her father to excute his brother Zuko and when she warned him to flee their mother would hear of this and murder Azulon which allowed Ozai to become Fire Lord and with her mother gone Ozai molded her into a true heartless weapon.

After training intensly and mastering firebending she would be sent on her mission to capture the his brother Zuko and Uncle Iroh who had become traitors after locating them she tried lying by saying that they would be welcomed with welcome with open arms however due to one of Azula's guard calling them prisoners which led to Zuko and Iroh's escape. After her failed first attempt she would seek help from her childhood friends Ty Lee who was in a circus and Mai who was living in Omashu as the daughter of the governor's. After overthrowing Mai father she would claim the land for the Fire Nation renaming it to New Ozai whilst there she would also encounter and young airbender named Aang who turned out to be the Avatar with this she had another target on her list.

With failing to capture the Avatar or her uncle or brother she would encounter the kiyoshi warriors and defeat them and decided to infiltrate the Ba Sing See as kiyoshi warriors and learning of a attack on the Fire Nation whilst a Solar Eclipse was gonna happen. She would overthrow the Earth King and take control of the Earth Kingdom. Where she would also find her targets Aang, Iroh and Zuko this time it would go to plan by manipulating Zuko she was able to convince him to join the fire nation with Zuko joining her this allowed her to capture her uncle and presumably kill the Avatar.

After returning to the Fire Nation she and Ozai planned to use Sozin's Comet to gain immense power and destroy the Earth Kingdom once and for all. Azula would also tell her father about the attack on the Fire Nation with that knoweldge Ozai would evacute before the attack ruining the Avatar's plan. Azula along Mai and Ty Lee would travel to the Boiling rock because Zuko planned to break free Hakoda whilst she hopped that they fall into the boiling lake she would be betrayed by Mai and Ty Lee as Mai feeling for Zuko made her turn against Azula with this betrayal she would imprision both of them this betrayal will have lasting consquences.

After a duel with Zuko who had turned against the Fire Nation she would be crowned the new Fire Lord this made her spiral into madness after her friends betrayal's she trusted no one and banished everyone she trusted whilst halucinating visions of her mother she would break down completly having lost it completly. At her crowning her brother would arrive and Azula challenged him to a Agni Kai. During the fight due to her mental health getting worse her attack were wild allowing Zuko to gain the upper hand realizing this she decided to attack Katara  who ended up beating her which made her breakdown a she lost her title as the Fire Lord after Zuko's crowning and the defeat of Ozai she was sent to Insane asylum where Zuko would ask her help find their mother which ended in her fleeing into the forgetful valley where she would realise that she had to manipulate Zuko into becoming the next Ozai which worked as Zuko realised that by trying to stop her he himself turned into his father after having accomplished that goal she vanishes into the night and is never to be seen again.

Skill and Experience

Tai Lung


Being adopted by Shifu meant he was trained under him he started off at a early age being a prodigy in Kung Fu. Having learnt alot of techniques not just fighting style but weapon mastery and tactics being the first person to be taught the tousand scrolls of Kung Fu which were scrolls written by Oogway the creator of Kung Fu. He was able to escape prison with nothing but a feather and and defeated Shifu who has mastered all fighting styles and was trained by Oogway. His fighting style (Leopard style) is very viscious it mixes agile moves with raw power with extra move called paralyzation which targets anyone nerves. 


Azula


Azula was a prodigy at firebending and was very knoweledgeable on warfare techniques even learning how to channel Lightning being so skilled she nearly killed Aang. She could use blue fire which was only learnt by the most skilled firebenders she could make fireballs, spit it out of her mouth and fly with it. She is very skilled in Hand to Hand she could disarm and fight against Suki who was the leader of the kiyoshi warriors and she was training in martial arts since her childhood.


Hax and Abilities

Tai Lung

Surface Scaling and Bodily Weaponary


Master Martial Artist


Was trained in Kung Fu by Shifu has defeated other Martial Artist such as the Furious Five and Shifu.

Shockwave Generation


can casually create shockwaves by jumping and punching



Accelerated Development


should be comparable to his nephew Peng who was able to learn Kung Fu by just watching it with no prior knowledge

Extreme Pain Intolerance


got shit on, launched through buildings numerous times and launched high into the air and continued fighting.


Paralysis


The Leopard style isn't only known for its speed and raw strength but for its signature move the Nerve attack. It has shown causing full paralysis on the enemy using his index and middle finger to attack the enemies artery near the heart sending a wave of chi through their body before paralyzing them.

Azula

Fire Manipulation and Forcefield Creation


If it isn't obvious enough Firebenders can use fire in all seriousness Azula is skilled enough to use blue fire which burns at 1400-1650°C she can shoot fire, use it to fly, shoot it out of her mouth and make forcefields with it.

Lightning Manipulation


Being a sub-skill of firebending it is only natural that Azula can shoot out and redirect Lightning. It can be used to shoot through the body which is fatal to any human if not dodged or blocked.

Explosion Manipulation


Weapon Creation


Azula can create daggers out of flames

Stealth Mastery


Was able to disguise herself as the Kiyoshi warriors and infiltrate Bai Sing Se, was able to sneak away from team Avatar


Resistances

Tai Lung




Azula


Heat: Can fight against other Firebenders, is fine when her hands are on fire
Body Puppetry:  Chi makes it hard for the body to be controlled.


Weaknesses

Tai Lung


Despite his Achievments Tai Lung has his faults firstly he is very cocky and overconfident and underestimates his enemies best shown against Po when he called him a fat panda little did he know that fat panda came back to bite him

Azula


Despite her skill and knowledge the Flame Princess has her fair share of weakness most obviously she insane even Iroh didn't bother trying to fix her. Obvious Insanity aside if she losses her temper her bending becomes eratic and she attacks without thinking not to mention if a solar eclipse happens her powers are completly gone.

Feats and Accomplishments

Tai Lung


  • Escaped Chorh-Gom Prison with only a feather
  • Laid waste to the Peace of Valley
  • Mastered the thousand scrolls
  • Mastered the Leopard Style
  • Defeated Shifu and The Furious Five

Strength


Speed


  • Could deflect spears (Gif above)
  • climbed to the Jade Palace in a flash of Lightning (Mach 1.42 - 3.57)
  • can run up walls
Durability



Azula

Feats and Accomplishments


  • is one of the most skilled Firebender
  • became the firelord
  • nearly killed Aang
  • succesfully infiltrated Bai Sing Se

Strength


Speed




Scaling

Tai Lung

Po


Whilst Tai Lung has never fought or even interacted with his Dragon Warrior form and reasonable not scale to it he should still scale to his Base form as he was able to fight on par with him in the first movie.


Furious Five


Tai Lung has fought and defeated the Furios Five easily so he should also scale to them

Tigress
Crane
Mantis

Shifu


Being trained by him and even surpassing him during their confrontation shows that the Snow Leopard has surpassed his teacher so reasonably this means he scales to him.

Other Kung Fu Masters


Azula

Aang


Considering Azula has fought Aang numerous times even nearly killing him its reasonable to scale her to the Avatar well at least in his base as even Ozai her father failed against Aang in his Avatar state.

Team Avatar


Azula has fought most of Team Avatar either head on or scales to characters who scale to them so its reasonable to say she scales to them

Toph
Zuko

Katara
Sokka
All Together

Firebenders


Iroh
Combustion Man
Ozai
Miscellaneous Benders


Verdict

This Fight will have three categories 

Strength                                       Speed


Hax and Abilities

Lets start with Strength

Overall both Azula and Tai Lung seem very even at first both having feats that have then in the Building - Town ranges however taking in higher ends of power Tai Lung takes this as Azula should comfortably scale to Zaheer making a Snow Storm which is equilavent to 677.77 Megatons of TNT  however Po's Wuxi fingerhold is higher than any ATLA feat excluding questionable high-ends with it coming out to 813.09 Teratons of TNT or 1199700 times stronger than Azula.

Note: Even taking in the instance of Po clearing clouds it makes Tai Lung 1.23 times stronger.

Giving the Strength advantage to Tai Lung

Hax and Abilities

Whilst it might look like a clear cut however It can go both ways as whilst Azula has the advantage in Quantity with her having some more unique abilities such as Lightning and Forcefield however Tai Lung isn't a slouch as both can instantly shut eachother off with their options Azula with Lightning and Tai Lung with Paralysis Azula's other abilities such as Firebending gets negated by the fact that Tai Lung was able to use fire on his paws with no issue and walk through it and so with all their major Hax covered its best to say this category is a Tie  

so the winning factor comes down to...

Speed

Azula is a casuall Lightning Timer being able to match other such as Zuko who can redirect Lightning getting to Mach 3848.39 compared to Tai Lung who scales to Po and Mantis who have feats reaching Mach 201027.01 to 594340.73 making Tai Lung 52.23 - 154.43 times faster than Azula

Allowing Tai Lung to take the Speed advantage allowing him to use his Paralysis before Azula can use her Lightning

Note: Even if we don't scale Tai Lung to Po's world traveling punch or Mantis Light shenanigans he would still be faster as Crane could fly over Mountains which would make Tai Lung 0.67 times faster still giving him the advantage

Strength                                       Speed


Hax and Abilities

Conclusion


Advantages
  • Takes Stat Trinity
  • Can Paralyse Azula
  • More skilled
  • Can most resist her Fire
  • Better Hand to Hand fighter
  • Climbing allows him to reach Azula if she ever decides to fly
  • This Clip
Disadvantages
  • Has no defense against Lightning
  • Not as versatile
  • is less intelligent
  • Doesn't have AOE
  • Got shit on


Advantages
  • Firebending grants her AOE
  • Can use firebending to fly
  • Lightning can end Tai Lung
  • More versatile abilities
  • Sharp Outfit
Disadvantages
  • Is weaker and slower
  • Has no defends against Paralysis
  • Isn't as skilled in Hand to Hand
  • not as skilled
  • Tai Lung could resist her flames
  • Tai Lung can use his claws to reach her when she flies

Whilst both Azula was a fierce opponent and struck many with fear, it was nothing for the ice cold snow leopard of the spirit world

The Winner is Tai Lung


Next Time


Strider Hiryu vs Joe Musashi
(Strider vs Shinobi)

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Saturday, January 24, 2026

Simon vs Ben 10


Ben 10 vs Simon the Digger


Before we Begin


For Simon we’ll be using the Anime, Manga, Movies, Novels and Guidebooks/Artbooks as for

Ben we’ll mainly use the Main Shows however Movies, Comic and Video Games

will also be included.


Background


Ben 10



Benjamin Kirby Tennyson was your average 10 year old boy living a normal one Day whilst on a Camping Trip out with his Grandpa and Cousin whilst wandering out in the forest he would encounter a crash landed Alien Device whilst inspecting it, it jumped onto his arm and attached itself on Ben. This device was the Omnitrix, a device which houses millions of Alien DNA allowing the Wielder to turn into any of the Aliens it possessed at First Ben wasn’t sure how to use it at first but after some trial and error he got the hang of it. It turned out that Vilgax, a Tyrant, was looking for the Omnitrix to build himself an Army of Aliens to conquer the Universe and a lot of other villains as well and by a lot I mean a lot don’t look into it. Ben who had the Omnitrix of course didn’t let that happen as he became a hero and defended the Planet from all sorts of Threats. He would continue his hero work till his Adult years adopting the name Ben 10.000 and would collect 1,000,912 DNA samples from  Aliens and become the defender of Earth.


Simon



The World of Gurren Lagann is dangerous as Dangerous Beast have taken over the Earth Surface forcing Humans to hide underground digging all their lives just to survive. Enter Simon the Digger, an orphaned kid who lives underground along with his Big Bro Kamina. One day whilst Digging Simon would find a mech along with a small drill which he showed to Kamina who had the plan to use it to escape to the surface where they would make a crew called Team Dai Gurren everything was going well… until Kamina died. Yeah so during their fight against one of the Beastmen Generals he would lose his life which made Simon lose all hope and rock bottom but after finding an innocent girl named Nia who lifted Simon’s spirit back up and told him to be himself that is what it took for Simon to lead Team Gurren into a brighter future.



Arsenal


Omnitrix



The Omnitrix the most well known watch in Fiction everyone knows what it does but just it case you

don’t


The Omnitrix is Ben’s Go-to Weapon which houses millions of Aliens DNA and allows him to

change into any Alien he possesses it can also copy any Alien DNA and use it whenever the

wielder wants. It also has a Failsafe which is Ben’s version of the Spidersense. If the Omnitrix

senses Ben is in danger it will automatically change into an Alien which can survive/deal with

the danger to protect Ben. It has a protection against Mind Manipulation and has a self

destruct which can destroy the entire Universe. It also has a lock making it so only Ben has

access to it even his younger self had to identify himself to get access to it.


Simon





The Core Drill is his main key for his Super Weapon and is what started his Journey. It acts as a Key to Simon's mech Lagann with it reacting to beings with high spiral power. It also can be used to call Lagann to Simon. It can also be used as a Weapon like when he used it to drill a hole into Lordgenome in the chest and Yoko used it like a bullet.


Laganns/Aliens


Heatblast


Heatblast is the first alien that Ben has ever used, one of the Original

Aliens that Ben had. If its design and name doesn’t make it obvious his main shtick is fire.

He can create fire, shoot it out from his hands and fingers, absorb fire, create fireballs, he can also use it to fly around. Of course any liquid like water will extinguish him making

him useless until he reignites. He can even shoot out Ice if he has a cold talk about using your disadvantages to your advantage.


He is my favorite


Diamond Head



Diamond Head is basically the definition of as hard as a Rock or Crystal? anyway he is one of

Ben’s most durable Aliens being able to go toe to toe against Vilgax. He can regenerate his

Limbs and create sharp blades as weapons ,create Crystal platforms and shoot them out like shards.


He looks like Alphonse but instead of a Metal Armor its Crystal


Four Arms



Four Arms is one of Bens heavy lifters being capable of lifting and swinging heavy things such as Mammoths. He is also very athletic being able to leap and jump very high, his punches are so powerful he can create shockwaves.


XLR8



XLR8 is one of Ben’s fastest Alien’s being able to create Tornadoes by just running in circles and can easily run on water and on walls.


Wildmutt


Wildmutt is a beast with no eyes but incredible senses being able to smell and hear very well and his strength is also very impressive being able to kick heavy objects very far and rip metal out with his teeth. He is also very agile being able to jump from place to place and can also climb. He is basically Daredevil as a Alien however just like Daredevil he is very sensitive to stuff that can negate or hurt his other senses such as High pitched noises and things blocking his smell. He also got rizz


Grey Matter



Ben’s aliens aren’t all brute force as Gray Matter is the brains of his aliens being able to figure out how to repair complex machines with a glance his species is also the one to create the Omnitrix. He isn’t only brains though as he can breathe underwater, control living things and have tongues similar to frogs. However like every Nerd he has weaknesses due to his size he isn’t made to be a fighter meaning if he is thrown into an arena he ain’t winning.


Upgrade



Upgrade is a semi-solid alien which can upgrade anything and even fix it. He can use his techno organic blood to fire a laser from the circle on his face, being able to shapeshift also allows him to turn his limbs into weapons such as a mace or a hammer. When he also wants he can just enter your body and explode it from the inside. He can also stretch his Body however it has its limits if stretched too far it can hurt also due to being a living metal he is vulnerable to Magnets and electricity.


Ripjaws


KKiller fish from San Diego


Ripjaws is Ben go-to when it goes deep into the sea it can transform its legs into a tail and breath underwater and even in deep pressure underwater. Whilst it can exit the water and live on the surface he dehydrates very quickly.



Ghostfreak



Ghostfreak is Ben's best choice for a Halloween costume. In all seriousness it is of his most versatile Alien’s being able to phase through objects due to being a ghost as well as turn invisible and others as well if he touches them, He can enter your body and possess you once in your body he has access to your Soul which he can destroy. Due to lacking a life force, absorbing life energy doesn’t work on him. On top of all of his abilities Ghostfreak can shed his skin which makes him more powerful and makes his abilities way better as well However despite being so strong he also has his weaknesses he can’t phase through someone if their also trying to do the same as well as when his Skin is shed he is very vulnerable to sunlight or light in general also his possession works on beings with a mind a mind so lacking one means your safe.


Stinkfly



The Last of Ben’s original Aliens Stinkfly is basically Ben’s private ride being able to fly at very high speed,

can see 360 degrees with his eyes and also shoot out goo which can restrain stuff like a helicopter. His farts are poisonous being able to kill plants instantly his sharp Tail can also be used as a weapon.


However like every insect he isn’t water compatible so in other

words he can’t swim and his wings are also very fragile also he lives

up to his name he stinks ass.


Way Big



Way Big is one of Ben’s strongest Aliens during the Original run of the series with him destroying Vilgax’s army and throwing him into Space. Way Big can grow in size and fire Cosmic Rays. His one weakness is that giant fin if its damaged Way Big is paralyzed.


Clockwork


Another one of Ben’s most versatile Alien’s which has many abilities such as Absorption, being able to age creatures into adults in a second, Stop Time even freeze the Omnitrix, even project past events and even travel dimensions, send people to their original dimensions and revert them into their previous form. Despite these awesome abilities he has his flaws he has very low stamina and isn’t very durable. It's also weak against Electromagnetic pulses..


Jetray


Jetray is one of Ben's fastest Aliens being able to fly to Hyperspace which could be

done by Ships he even could fly halfway across the Galaxy. He can also fire

Neuroshock blasts which can paralyze Humans.


Feedback



Feedback is one of if not the strongest electrical Alien Ben has. He can create an

electrical blast to launch himself in the air but also absorb energy by using his tendrils.He is also very strong being able to hold back a BIG BANG.


Gravattack



Gravattack has the ability to manipulate gravity decreasing and increasing gravity

he can also control his own Gravity allowing him to fly and he can survive in space due

to his species being living asteroids. He can create forcefields even Black Holes and if a Black hole doesn’t finish the job he has telekinesis. He has a core which can be invaded by microscopic beings if the core is damaged enough it causes Gravattack to explode.



Chromastone



Chromastone is very similar to Diamondhead, just more energy based being able to shoot energy based attacks and even absorb and redirect them including Mana, a life energy which is housed in every living being from Humans to Plants and even Aliens which means he has a lot to draw from. He can also shoot light and even fly in space being able to fly from Petropia to earth in a matter of minutes and if he is destroyed he will come back as Diamondhead. However, too much energy could overwhelm him, which is what Vilgax did to destroy him.


Atomix



Atomix is basically a living nuclear reactor or Nuke being able to use radiation to heat himself up as hot as a Nuclear Fusion which can reach millions of degrees. He can also tank a blast from a Tachyon Cannon which can take those who get hit apart at the sub-cellular level.


NRG





Whilst we are on the topic of Radioactive lets talk about NRG he also a Nuclear reactor storing so much radiation its too dangerous with his suit being made to contain it all the radiation. His suit is near Indestructible only being damaged by Kevin even Gwen with her Mana can’t do anything against it. It can generate radioactive blast from his eyes and heat the ground so much it can generate Lava.


Upchuck




Upchuck is an alien with an never ending appetite it has the ability to eat anything with never having to stop no matter the size its species has literally eaten their own Planet and 11 others not to mention he can just eat his enemies. Upchuck has two forms Murk and Perk, Perk has a long stretchy tongue able to catch his prey and swallow it once digested he can convert it energy and shoot out in the form of a energy blast or explosions he can also just use his acid which has been called the most corrosive substance in the Universe. However Upchuck can’t keep stuff inside him forever if he doesn’t spit anything out he’ll become fat and also his mouth has limited capacity he can’t fit everything.


Pesky Dust



Pesky Dust is an alien capable of putting enemies to sleep and delving into their dreams

and showing you your worst fears.


That's about it he doesn’t have much either.



Alien X




Oh boy where do we start


Alien X by far Ben’s strongest Alien and most well known (well at least vs wise). Alien X is a Celestialsapiens who are aliens receding outside Annihilarrgh universe mostly being dormant due to them having two personalities in their mind who have to decide and agree to make any move. However Ben has gained full control over Alien X over the years.


Alien X can Reality Warp, Manipulate time and space, Control living beings and take on any form of power, control and shape their body anyway the want to, grow to the size of a Galaxy and even duplicate themselves, create Blackholes a new universe, teleport you lightyears away, can create things by just by thinking about it, erase you out of existence, travel through Dimension, use telekinesis, control your body, reflect attacks, prevent you from using your powers and Regenerate their bodies after they been sucked up by a black hole not to mention Celestialsapiens have multiple forms of Immortality either due to being resistances to Physical Attacks due to being outside of the Universe, They can’t age at all they are also resistant to life absorption lastly as long as the three personalities Ben, Belicius and Serena still are intact Alien X will Exist


Lagann



This Laggan, despite not being even the size of a Human, is a beast to be reckoned with. It can create drills from any part of his body, create forcefields and It was created for Exploration however it was later used to fight against Aliens. Laggans run on Will meaning the more the merrier if your Will is high Laggans can be dangerous to deal with.


Gurren



Originally piloted by Kamina after hijacking it during the raid on Littner Village. After the raid Kamina kept the mech even giving it cool shades just like he wears which can also be used as weapons such as blades and boomerangs. Its most practical use however is to fuse with other Mechs such as Laggan to form


Gurren Lagann


After both Gurren and Lagann fuse into Gurren Lagann. Which is a Mech which is stated to be stronger than Gurren. Whilst it possesses a similar arsenal to Gurren specifically the Sunglasses

but it also possesses drill shaped missile, drills which can be used like bladesand grappling hooks which can be used to fuse multiple mechs. However its greatest feature is its system when they fuse into one mech,

Gurren Lagann is said to take over Lagann’s system with it defending off any outside threat due to it being akin to a living organism.


and after imbuing it with Spiral Energy it will create


Arc-Gurren Lagann




Arc-Gurren Lagann is the fusion between Gurren Lagann and Arc Gurren which is stronger than the previous mechs and is stacked on spiral energy it can also just punch through Time and Space with its Space-Time Shattering Burst Spinning Punch or push a ship the size of the moon.


Super Galaxy Dai Gurren



Originally used by Lordgenome as a flagship it was later used by Anti-Spiral as a Moon base to report activity on earth and during the second spiral war Simon was able to gain control of it with the help of Viral. The ship's size is so big they have to use teleportation to reach the other side of the ship. It can also travel through universes and other worlds. It also has spiral drills which act as anchors which could pull the real moon from a hidden pocket dimension. It's also equipped with back up power in case it runs out of Spiral Energy.


Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann



After merging with Arc-Gurren Lagann and Super Galaxy Dai Gurren was made a

mech which is half the size of the planet and the engine storing so much power that

it feels like a Galaxy being born and Lordegenome states that it has the power of a sub-universe.


Its weaponry consist of Drills, Probability Alteration Missiles, Missiles which hit a

100% of the time which can also hit “an immeasurable numbers of enemies” and Drill shaped anchors from previous mechs


Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann



This Lagann is achieved after Simon absorbs the Multiversal Labyrinth this Lagann is

so big its doesn’t have a physical form it is a higher dimensional being with it being

made of Team Gurren’s thoughts such as Hope, wishes, regrets, past and future also being able to adjust its gravitational level on a Galactic Level and It radiates infinite power.


In this form he started creating Super Spiral Space which turns thoughts into reality, which allows him to create any weapon he can think of such as Sunglasses

Boomerangs or the earlier mentioned probability altering missiles. This also grants him

busted Regeneration allowing him to Regenerate from a thought alone and

characters such Lordgnome and Nia have done some wicked stuff such as endure

Quantum breakdown and getting erased at the informational level. He is capable of piloting the Mech alone without needing co-pilots such as Viral or Yoko.


Tengen Toppa Lagann



Tengen Toppa Lagann is the result of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann being split. It

doesn’t have much screentime so it lacks anything new to show however it is strong

enough to survive the Infinity Big Bang Storm and other mechs similar to this could

hold down the Anti-Spiral with super dimensional anchors and even hurt Anti-Spiral.


Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann




After absorbing some redirected energy from Infinity Big Bang Storm and fusing with

every from Dai Gurren, Mech's Simon achieves Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

a form so big it's as big as a universe. Talking about Universes he is so big

that he can use other universes as weapons to throw them like frisbees. His biggest attack,

the Giga Drill Break, is as big as his earlier forms,he also possesses all of his earlier Forms abilities just better.



Abilities and Hax


Ben


Space and Time Manipulation



Alien X has shown the ability to rewind time and even stated to change the nature of time and space.


Shapeshifting


Aliens such as Ghostfreak, Diamondhead and Upgrade can shapeshift their bodies


Energy Manipulation



Many of Ben’s aliens have shown being able to absorb and shoot out energy beams. With Chromastone

being able to absorb Energy such as Mana which is in every living being, Whampire can drain human

life energy and Feedback can absorb Multiversal levels of energy as long as

the laws of physics are the same.


Regeneration



Celestialsapiens have been shown being able to regenerate their body after it got

destroyed entirely by a black hole as long as their minds are intact they can

regenerate their bodies. Alien X should also be superior to Goop which could survive

atomization. Other aliens such as Diamondhead can also just recreate their limbs.


Duplication and Black Hole Creation



Alien X has shown being able to create duplicates of himself with each of them

sharing their mind allowing Ben. They have been shown creating a black hole

against the Galactic Gladiator.


Reality Warping



Alien X can create and destroy anything he can think of like when he recreated the Universe with a few minor changes.


Existence Erasure and Causality Manipulation



Celestialsapiens have been stated to be able to erase all of existence which includes alternative timelines and their histories. Alien X should be superior then Chrononavigator which could destroy all time and Causality.


Size Manipulation


Celestialsapiens such as the Galactic Gladiator have shown growing to the size of a galaxy.



Intangibility, Telekinesis and Mind Manipulation


 

Aliens such as Ghostfreak and AmpFibian have shown turning intangible and

invading people's minds. Zs’skayr who can throw object telekinetically.


Disease, Madness and Fear Manipulation


Toepick can cause sickness, terror and madness if his face is seen. Pesky dust can

also cause fear once he enters the target's dream.


Dream Manipulation


Pesky Dust can enter anyone's dream and show them their worst fears.


Higher Dimensional Existence


Alien X is born in the Forge of creation which is out of sync with time with only the inhabitants and people with the map of infinity being able to travel.



Simon


Spiral Power



Spiral Power is the power to evolve any living being able to harness Spiral power it

allows to do crazy shit like Buta was able to harness enough to turn into a human. It

acts as the fundamental laws of the universe.Spiral Energy allows their users to

grow in power in mere seconds this is showcased when Simon absorbed

the Multiversal Labyrinth which was 11 dimensional meaning he jumped several orders

of infinity in seconds.


Spiral Power relies on Willpower the more willpower you have the stronger you will

get. Nia states that the Human spirit is infinite meaning you can harness this power

infinitely. It allows Simon to do various things from creating Forcefields. regenerate

from his thoughts alone, travel to other universes and even higher dimensions, absorb energy worth an ocean and a lot of other abilities.


Power Mimicry


Simon and his crew were able to replicate the probability-altering missiles

after seeing it once. Anti-Spiral was a Spiral race once which meant Simon could also

replicate his abilities.


Regeneration and Regeneration Negation


Simon can regenerate his mech with a mere thought and it should be better

than both Lordgenome and Nia who could survive Quantum Breakdown and erasure at

the informational level for a week straight. He also defeated Anti-Spiral bodies made

of thought and the mind who could survive full obliteration.


Higher Dimensional Existence


absorbed every version of himself including past, present and future as well.One of these versions was writing Gurran Lagann.


Probability Manipulation


Simon’s Probability altering missiles makes the missiles hit his target 100% should

be comparable to Anti-Spiral who can alter multidimensional probability.




Weaknesses


Ben 10




Despite Ben numerous aliens all of them have weaknesses such as being not suited

for combat or stuff such as getting overwhelmed physically or their ability also most

have unique weaknesses such as Electro magnetic waves or weak spots.


The Omnitrix is also not the perfect weapon whilst it used to cause DNA disfiguration

before he had master control. Ben also has a habit of slapping the watch which can

cause its timeout to malfunction causing him to stay as an Alien he wants for only

seconds or an Alien he doesn’t want to for Hours.Whilst Master Control allows Ben

to change from Alien to Alien quickly it causes the Omnitrix to time out.Also restraining him so that he can’t activate the Omnitrix is also a way to keep

him away from his Alien forms as the Omnitrix’s faceplate needs to be touched to activate. 



Simon isn’t perfect, he has had his weakness shine through, for example when his

willpower dwindled which caused Kamina to pay the price as he was afraid and other

emotions can alter his will being fatigued and lack of concentration are also reasons

he could lose his will. Whilst talking about willpower it is the main source of Spiral

Power meaning if he willpower is gone so is his Spiral Powers. Early one in the show

it's been shown that he and Kamina needed to eat so he can't fight on an empty stomach.


Resistances

 

Ben 10


Himself


Ghost Freak couldn’t possess Four Arms.


through Aliens and Omnitrix


who was unfazed by Aggregor's attacks
without any issue. Diamonds don’t age


Simon


  • Extreme Heat and Cold: Can survive in space and walk

  • Mind Manipulation: Escaped the Multiversal Labyrinth

  • Density Manipulation: upscales the Spiral Death Machine who could

survive being crushed by ultra dense space,
Simon could also just adjust his gravitational field
time and space and
himself from aging for 7 years.


Feats


Ben 10



  • Saved the world numerous times

  • Recreated the Universe

  • convinced Belicius and Serena to give him control over Alien X

  • Teamed up with and fought Rex Salzar

  • Defeated Vilgax, Darkstar, Malgax

  • Met George Washington



Strength



several lightyears (9.745 TeraFOE)
the Contumelia who state to be 5th Dimensional (5D)



Speed





Durability






Simon


Feats



  • Escaped the Underground along with Kamina

  • Became the leader of Dai-Gurren despite being 14

  • Became the leader of Kamina City

  • Married Nia

  • Defeated Viral, Beastmen army, Lordgenome and Anti-Spiral

  • Saw the Invisible and broke the unbreakable



Strength





Speed



 



Durability






Before the Verdict


Cosmologies


Ben 10


Singular Timelines




These singular timelines have alternative dimensions stated to be numerous times infinite in size.This means any character or object destroying this makes them Multiversal +.


Crosstime




Crosstime is a collection of all timelines showing us all the alternative timelines that have been created by small decisions. This space is stated to be all time and space which is stated to be 17-Dimensional.


6-D to 17D


The Forge of Creation




The Forge of creation is the start and center of the universe where the Celestialsapien are born and reside. The forge of creation is  out of sync of time.It can only be accessed by anyone with the map of Infinity and Celestialsapiens and Paradox. Due to it being beyond human comprehension Paradox locked it away so no one knows about it.


17D


Simon


Normal Universe




The Normal universe has been stated in numerous adaptations to be infinite in size making it Multiversal+


The Multiversal Labyrinth




The Multiversal Labyrinth is a multi-layered construct which traps Team Dai Gurren in an infinite multiverse where they live through their infinite universe whilst their minds are trapped. This construct was stated by the writer of Gurren Lagann Nakajima stated “The Multiverse is 11-Dimensional”. This construct infinite universe has unique Simon’s that later get absorbed by our Simon which I will come back to in a second.


11-D


Anti-Spiral Universe



This universe was created by Anti-spiral. The universe resides in another universe with a different dimensional axis. It has Anti-Spiral’s analysis room which is separate from time and space. The Universe is also infinite in size and at the edge of the multiverse and also closed off? Anti-Spiral also has control over it which means he can control the flow of time making it a 11-D + 1 Temporal Dimension.


Infinite 11-D


Before the Verdict


26-D Ben




So this argument comes from an episode where Naljian asks Ben “you can only perceive 3 Dimensions right?” to which Ben answers “Yeah? How many are there?”

to which Naljian answers “Only 26 that matter”.


And with it being confirmed that Celestialpians are the strongest race in Ben 10 being stronger than Naljians being second who are 26 Dimensional beings so that means Alien X is 26 D right?


Not exactly firstly there are some problems the creator states that they can become Omniscient however if they all have to agree which even if they do they would “be undone by either phenomenon” so they can but don’t do it due the risk of destroying the universe.


Another point is the map of infinity the map is stated to extend through 17 Dimensions and anyone who has it can travel to anywhere they want including the forge of creation meaning its 17D not 26D.


There also the fact that the Chronosapien Time Bomb could kill Atomic-X someone who is Omnipotent and Alien X is also Omnipotent would most likely also be killed by it as the creator state “Time Bombs don’t care”


so overall 26D is a shaky high-end.


Reality > Fiction


Anyone following the VS scene knows what Reality over Fiction is if not let me explain.


It basically is when a character is superior to another world and sees that world as fiction. And Simon has the argument due to absorbing every version of himself which consistent of Otoko Simon if you’ve seen the Death Battle of Simon vs Kyle (which I assume most of you have if not WHAT ARE YOU DOING GO WATCH IT) they mention Otoko Simon as the Mangaka Simon so who created Gurran Lagann as a Manga in his world and using his Spiral Power made his fictional Simon come to alive and he could also manipulate the plot of said Manga so this qualifies as R>F however there are rules that have to be followed cuz if not its not R>F.


The rules are listed in the VSBW FAQ and their page for R>F.


Otoko Simon by using his Spiral Power he was able to tie his 3-Dimensional Universe to his Manga’s 2-Dimensional Universe allowing Garlock (Manga Simon) to use spatial teleportation which had him be brought to Otoko Simon’s Universe


Is this a valid way to get Simon to Outerversal?


Yes as Spiral Power is used when transcending higher planes of existence as it binds life forms and universes together shown when our Simon used Spiral Power to travel from his 3-Dimensional Universe to the Anti-Spiral 11-Dimensional Universe and not to mention Spiral Power can connect lower realities with higher ones.


Granting Simon Outerversal levels of power.


Verdict


Strength


Both Simon and Ben can reach Multiversal easily so this comes down to

their universe sizes. Both at the very least have Multiversal+ strength however at

a first glance it seems Ben has the edge as Simon only scales 11-D and Ben is

slightly higher at 17-D however Simon’s a Spiral Power is unlimited allowing him

to grow stronger with more Spiral Power meaning that he can grow stronger and stronger

until he reaches or surpasses Ben in strength so while Ben starts stronger he will be

surpassed throughout the fight.


also Outer Simon


giving the point to Simon

Speed

with finite ends Simon is about 8.273381e+104 times faster however with

infinite ends there equal in speed pretty straight forward.


Speed is a Tie


Hax and Abilities


Hax wise both have various ups and downs for example Alien X has size manipulation

it stated that he can grow to the size of a galaxy issue Simon as STTGL is

immeasurable in size meaning he gets dwarfed in size easily. Another example is Alien X can

fight other Celestialsapiens who can reality warp meaning Simon can’t do any reality warping

himself against Ben.


Whilst Ben has more abilities due to his varying aliens Simon’s Spiral Power

allows him to resist a lot of Ben’s Trump Cards such as Existence Erasure and Regeneration

as Nia (aka best wife in the universe) used her Spiral Power to survive existence erasure

and Simon should be able to do the same. Simon could also negate Anti-Spiral’s healing

factor meaning Simon could do the same to Ben his probability manipulation also screws

Ben over as this means he can make Ben miss all of his attack or make all of his attack

hit Ben.


This point goes to Simon


Advantages and Disadvantages


Ben 10


“It’s Hero Time”


Advantages


Disadvantages

  • Eventually gets surpassed in strength

  • if finite speed is used is massively slower

  • Regen gets negated

  • is way smaller

  • Existence Erasure gets negated

  • Can’t do anything against Probability Manipulation

  • Time



Simon the Digger



“My drill is the drill that creates the heavens!”


  • is stronger regardless if R>F is bought or not

  • faster with finite speed

  • equal in speed with infinite speeds

  • Spiral Power is busted

  • busted regeneration

  • can negate Ben’s regeneration and negate erasure

  • size advantage

  • Probability Manipulation

  • could outpace Ben’s absorption

  • Has one of the best episodes in Death Battle

  • ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

  • My top 3 MC’s of all time


Disadvantages

  • starts off weaker

  • no resistance to reality warping

  • not as smart

  • isn’t as experienced

  • not much variety in abilities


Due to Simon’s overwhelming strength and willpower Ben will have to time out this one


The Winner is 


Simon the Digger





I wanna give a huge thanks to u/itownshend17, u/Dorkvader75 and u/jokertenn for their help with this blog and for explaining both characters as best they could.

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