Simon vs Ben 10
Ben 10 vs Simon the Digger
Before we Begin
For Simon we’ll be using the Anime, Manga, Movies, Novels and Guidebooks/Artbooks as for
Ben we’ll mainly use the Main Shows however Movies, Comic and Video Games
will also be included.
Background
Ben 10
Benjamin Kirby Tennyson was your average 10 year old boy living a normal one Day whilst on a Camping Trip out with his Grandpa and Cousin whilst wandering out in the forest he would encounter a crash landed Alien Device whilst inspecting it, it jumped onto his arm and attached itself on Ben. This device was the Omnitrix, a device which houses millions of Alien DNA allowing the Wielder to turn into any of the Aliens it possessed at First Ben wasn’t sure how to use it at first but after some trial and error he got the hang of it. It turned out that Vilgax, a Tyrant, was looking for the Omnitrix to build himself an Army of Aliens to conquer the Universe and a lot of other villains as well and by a lot I mean a lot don’t look into it. Ben who had the Omnitrix of course didn’t let that happen as he became a hero and defended the Planet from all sorts of Threats. He would continue his hero work till his Adult years adopting the name Ben 10.000 and would collect 1,000,912 DNA samples from Aliens and become the defender of Earth.
Simon
The World of Gurren Lagann is dangerous as Dangerous Beast have taken over the Earth Surface forcing Humans to hide underground digging all their lives just to survive. Enter Simon the Digger, an orphaned kid who lives underground along with his Big Bro Kamina. One day whilst Digging Simon would find a mech along with a small drill which he showed to Kamina who had the plan to use it to escape to the surface where they would make a crew called Team Dai Gurren everything was going well… until Kamina died. Yeah so during their fight against one of the Beastmen Generals he would lose his life which made Simon lose all hope and rock bottom but after finding an innocent girl named Nia who lifted Simon’s spirit back up and told him to be himself that is what it took for Simon to lead Team Gurren into a brighter future.
Arsenal
Omnitrix
The Omnitrix the most well known watch in Fiction everyone knows what it does but just it case you don’t
The Omnitrix is Ben’s Go-to Weapon which houses millions of Aliens DNA and allows him to change into any Alien he possesses it can also copy any Alien DNA and use it whenever the wielder wants. It also has a Failsafe which is Ben’s version of the Spidersense. If the Omnitrix senses Ben is in danger it will automatically change into an Alien which can survive/deal with the danger to protect Ben. It has a protection against Mind Manipulation and has a self destruct which can destroy the entire Universe. It also has a lock making it so only Ben has access to it even his younger self had to identify himself to get access to it.
Simon
The Core Drill is his main key for his Super Weapon and is what started his Journey. It acts as a Key to Simon's mech Lagann with it reacting to beings with high spiral power. It also can be used to call Lagann to Simon. It can also be used as a Weapon like when he used it to drill a hole into Lordgenome in the chest and Yoko used it like a bullet.
Laganns/Aliens
Heatblast
Heatblast is the first alien that Ben has ever used, one of the Original Aliens that Ben had. If its design and name doesn’t make it obvious his main shtick is fire.
He can create fire, shoot it out from his hands and fingers, absorb fire, create fireballs, he can also use it to fly around. Of course any liquid like water will extinguish him making him useless until he reignites. He can even shoot out Ice if he has a cold talk about using your disadvantages to your advantage.
Diamond Head
Diamond Head is basically the definition of as hard as a Rock or Crystal? anyway he is one of Ben’s most durable Aliens being able to go toe to toe against Vilgax. He can regenerate his Limbs and create sharp blades as weapons ,create Crystal platforms and shoot them out like shards.
He looks like Alphonse but instead of a Metal Armor its Crystal
Four Arms
Four Arms is one of Bens heavy lifters being capable of lifting and swinging heavy things such as Mammoths. He is also very athletic being able to leap and jump very high, his punches are so powerful he can create shockwaves.
XLR8
XLR8 is one of Ben’s fastest Alien’s being able to create Tornadoes by just running in circles and can easily run on water and on walls.
Wildmutt
Wildmutt is a beast with no eyes but incredible senses being able to smell and hear very well and his strength is also very impressive being able to kick heavy objects very far and rip metal out with his teeth. He is also very agile being able to jump from place to place and can also climb. He is basically Daredevil as a Alien however just like Daredevil he is very sensitive to stuff that can negate or hurt his other senses such as High pitched noises and things blocking his smell. He also got rizz
Grey Matter
Ben’s aliens aren’t all brute force as Gray Matter is the brains of his aliens being able to figure out how to repair complex machines with a glance his species is also the one to create the Omnitrix. He isn’t only brains though as he can breathe underwater, control living things and have tongues similar to frogs. However like every Nerd he has weaknesses due to his size he isn’t made to be a fighter meaning if he is thrown into an arena he ain’t winning.
Upgrade
Upgrade is a semi-solid alien which can upgrade anything and even fix it. He can use his techno organic blood to fire a laser from the circle on his face, being able to shapeshift also allows him to turn his limbs into weapons such as a mace or a hammer. When he also wants he can just enter your body and explode it from the inside. He can also stretch his Body however it has its limits if stretched too far it can hurt also due to being a living metal he is vulnerable to Magnets and electricity.
Ripjaws
Ripjaws is Ben go-to when it goes deep into the sea it can transform its legs into a tail and breath underwater and even in deep pressure underwater. Whilst it can exit the water and live on the surface he dehydrates very quickly.
Ghostfreak
Ghostfreak is Ben's best choice for a Halloween costume. In all seriousness it is of his most versatile Alien’s being able to phase through objects due to being a ghost as well as turn invisible and others as well if he touches them, He can enter your body and possess you once in your body he has access to your Soul which he can destroy. Due to lacking a life force, absorbing life energy doesn’t work on him. On top of all of his abilities Ghostfreak can shed his skin which makes him more powerful and makes his abilities way better as well However despite being so strong he also has his weaknesses he can’t phase through someone if their also trying to do the same as well as when his Skin is shed he is very vulnerable to sunlight or light in general also his possession works on beings with a mind a mind so lacking one means your safe.
Stinkfly
The Last of Ben’s original Aliens Stinkfly is basically Ben’s private ride being able to fly at very high speed, can see 360 degrees with his eyes and also shoot out goo which can restrain stuff like a helicopter. His farts are poisonous being able to kill plants instantly his sharp Tail can also be used as a weapon.
However like every insect he isn’t water compatible so in other words he can’t swim and his wings are also very fragile also he lives up to his name he stinks ass.
Way Big
Way Big is one of Ben’s strongest Aliens during the Original run of the series with him destroying Vilgax’s army and throwing him into Space. Way Big can grow in size and fire Cosmic Rays. His one weakness is that giant fin if its damaged Way Big is paralyzed.
Clockwork
Another one of Ben’s most versatile Alien’s which has many abilities such as Absorption, being able to age creatures into adults in a second, Stop Time even freeze the Omnitrix, even project past events and even travel dimensions, send people to their original dimensions and revert them into their previous form. Despite these awesome abilities he has his flaws he has very low stamina and isn’t very durable. It's also weak against Electromagnetic pulses..
Jetray
Jetray is one of Ben's fastest Aliens being able to fly to Hyperspace which could be
done by Ships he even could fly halfway across the Galaxy. He can also fire
Neuroshock blasts which can paralyze Humans.
Feedback
Feedback is one of if not the strongest electrical Alien Ben has. He can create an
electrical blast to launch himself in the air but also absorb energy by using his tendrils.He is also very strong being able to hold back a BIG BANG.
Gravattack
Gravattack has the ability to manipulate gravity decreasing and increasing gravity
he can also control his own Gravity allowing him to fly and he can survive in space due
to his species being living asteroids. He can create forcefields even Black Holes and if a Black hole doesn’t finish the job he has telekinesis. He has a core which can be invaded by microscopic beings if the core is damaged enough it causes Gravattack to explode.
Chromastone
Chromastone is very similar to Diamondhead, just more energy based being able to shoot energy based attacks and even absorb and redirect them including Mana, a life energy which is housed in every living being from Humans to Plants and even Aliens which means he has a lot to draw from. He can also shoot light and even fly in space being able to fly from Petropia to earth in a matter of minutes and if he is destroyed he will come back as Diamondhead. However, too much energy could overwhelm him, which is what Vilgax did to destroy him.
Atomix
Atomix is basically a living nuclear reactor or Nuke being able to use radiation to heat himself up as hot as a Nuclear Fusion which can reach millions of degrees. He can also tank a blast from a Tachyon Cannon which can take those who get hit apart at the sub-cellular level.
NRG
Whilst we are on the topic of Radioactive lets talk about NRG he also a Nuclear reactor storing so much radiation its too dangerous with his suit being made to contain it all the radiation. His suit is near Indestructible only being damaged by Kevin even Gwen with her Mana can’t do anything against it. It can generate radioactive blast from his eyes and heat the ground so much it can generate Lava.
Upchuck
Upchuck is an alien with an never ending appetite it has the ability to eat anything with never having to stop no matter the size its species has literally eaten their own Planet and 11 others not to mention he can just eat his enemies. Upchuck has two forms Murk and Perk, Perk has a long stretchy tongue able to catch his prey and swallow it once digested he can convert it energy and shoot out in the form of a energy blast or explosions he can also just use his acid which has been called the most corrosive substance in the Universe. However Upchuck can’t keep stuff inside him forever if he doesn’t spit anything out he’ll become fat and also his mouth has limited capacity he can’t fit everything.
Pesky Dust
Pesky Dust is an alien capable of putting enemies to sleep and delving into their dreams and showing you your worst fears.
That's about it he doesn’t have much either.
Alien X
Oh boy where do we start
Alien X by far Ben’s strongest Alien and most well known (well at least vs wise). Alien X is a Celestialsapiens who are aliens receding outside Annihilarrgh universe mostly being dormant due to them having two personalities in their mind who have to decide and agree to make any move. However Ben has gained full control over Alien X over the years.
Alien X can Reality Warp, Manipulate time and space, Control living beings and take on any form of power, control and shape their body anyway the want to, grow to the size of a Galaxy and even duplicate themselves, create Blackholes a new universe, teleport you lightyears away, can create things by just by thinking about it, erase you out of existence, travel through Dimension, use telekinesis, control your body, reflect attacks, prevent you from using your powers and Regenerate their bodies after they been sucked up by a black hole not to mention Celestialsapiens have multiple forms of Immortality either due to being resistances to Physical Attacks due to being outside of the Universe, They can’t age at all they are also resistant to life absorption lastly as long as the three personalities Ben, Belicius and Serena still are intact Alien X will Exist
Lagann
This Laggan, despite not being even the size of a Human, is a beast to be reckoned with. It can create drills from any part of his body, create forcefields and It was created for Exploration however it was later used to fight against Aliens. Laggans run on Will meaning the more the merrier if your Will is high Laggans can be dangerous to deal with.
Gurren
Originally piloted by Kamina after hijacking it during the raid on Littner Village. After the raid Kamina kept the mech even giving it cool shades just like he wears which can also be used as weapons such as blades and boomerangs. Its most practical use however is to fuse with other Mechs such as Laggan to form
Gurren Lagann
After both Gurren and Lagann fuse into Gurren Lagann. Which is a Mech which is stated to be stronger than Gurren. Whilst it possesses a similar arsenal to Gurren specifically the Sunglasses but it also possesses drill shaped missiles, drills which can be used like blades and grappling hooks which can be used to fuse multiple mechs. However its greatest feature is its system when they fuse into one mech, Gurren Lagann is said to take over Lagann’s system with it defending off any outside threat due to it being akin to a living organism.
and after imbuing it with Spiral Energy it will create
Arc-Gurren Lagann
Arc-Gurren Lagann is the fusion between Gurren Lagann and Arc Gurren which is stronger than the previous mechs and is stacked on spiral energy it can also just punch through Time and Space with its Space-Time Shattering Burst Spinning Punch or push a ship the size of the moon.
Super Galaxy Dai Gurren
Originally used by Lordgenome as a flagship it was later used by Anti-Spiral as a Moon base to report activity on earth and during the second spiral war Simon was able to gain control of it with the help of Viral. The ship's size is so big they have to use teleportation to reach the other side of the ship. It can also travel through universes and other worlds. It also has spiral drills which act as anchors which could pull the real moon from a hidden pocket dimension. It's also equipped with back up power in case it runs out of Spiral Energy.
Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann
After merging with Arc-Gurren Lagann and Super Galaxy Dai Gurren was made a
mech which is half the size of the planet and the engine storing so much power that
it feels like a Galaxy being born and Lordegenome states that it has the power of a sub-universe.
Its weaponry consist of Drills, Probability Alteration Missiles, Missiles which hit a
100% of the time which can also hit “an immeasurable numbers of enemies” and Drill shaped anchors from previous mechs
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
This Lagann is achieved after Simon absorbs the Multiversal Labyrinth this Lagann is
so big its doesn’t have a physical form it is a higher dimensional being with it being
made of Team Gurren’s thoughts such as Hope, wishes, regrets, past and future also being able to adjust its gravitational level on a Galactic Level and It radiates infinite power.
In this form he started creating Super Spiral Space which turns thoughts into reality, which allows him to create any weapon he can think of such as Sunglasses
Boomerangs or the earlier mentioned probability altering missiles. This also grants him
busted Regeneration allowing him to Regenerate from a thought alone and
characters such Lordgnome and Nia have done some wicked stuff such as endure
Quantum breakdown and getting erased at the informational level. He is capable of piloting the Mech alone without needing co-pilots such as Viral or Yoko.
Tengen Toppa Lagann
Tengen Toppa Lagann is the result of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann being split. It
doesn’t have much screentime so it lacks anything new to show however it is strong
enough to survive the Infinity Big Bang Storm and other mechs similar to this could
hold down the Anti-Spiral with super dimensional anchors and even hurt Anti-Spiral.
Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
After absorbing some redirected energy from Infinity Big Bang Storm and fusing with
every from Dai Gurren, Mech's Simon achieves Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
a form so big it's as big as a universe. Talking about Universes he is so big
that he can use other universes as weapons to throw them like frisbees. His biggest attack,
the Giga Drill Break, is as big as his earlier forms,he also possesses all of his earlier Forms abilities just better.
Abilities and Hax
Ben
Space and Time Manipulation
Alien X has shown the ability to rewind time and even stated to change the nature of time and space.
Shapeshifting
Aliens such as Ghostfreak, Diamondhead and Upgrade can shapeshift their bodies
Energy Manipulation
Many of Ben’s aliens have shown being able to absorb and shoot out energy beams. With Chromastone
being able to absorb Energy such as Mana which is in every living being, Whampire can drain human
life energy and Feedback can absorb Multiversal levels of energy as long as
the laws of physics are the same.
Regeneration
Celestialsapiens have been shown being able to regenerate their body after it got
destroyed entirely by a black hole as long as their minds are intact they can
regenerate their bodies. Alien X should also be superior to Goop which could survive
atomization. Other aliens such as Diamondhead can also just recreate their limbs.
Duplication and Black Hole Creation
Alien X has shown being able to create duplicates of himself with each of them
sharing their mind allowing Ben. They have been shown creating a black hole
against the Galactic Gladiator.
Reality Warping
Alien X can create and destroy anything he can think of like when he recreated the Universe with a few minor changes.
Existence Erasure and Causality Manipulation
Celestialsapiens have been stated to be able to erase all of existence which includes alternative timelines and their histories. Alien X should be superior then Chrononavigator which could destroy all time and Causality.
Size Manipulation
Celestialsapiens such as the Galactic Gladiator have shown growing to the size of a galaxy.
Intangibility, Telekinesis and Mind Manipulation
Aliens such as Ghostfreak and AmpFibian have shown turning intangible and
invading people's minds. Zs’skayr who can throw object telekinetically.
Disease, Madness and Fear Manipulation
Toepick can cause sickness, terror and madness if his face is seen. Pesky dust can
also cause fear once he enters the target's dream.
Dream Manipulation
Pesky Dust can enter anyone's dream and show them their worst fears.
Higher Dimensional Existence
Alien X is born in the Forge of creation which is out of sync with time with only the inhabitants and people with the map of infinity being able to travel.
Simon
Spiral Power
Spiral Power is the power to evolve any living being able to harness Spiral power it
allows to do crazy shit like Buta was able to harness enough to turn into a human. It
acts as the fundamental laws of the universe.Spiral Energy allows their users to
grow in power in mere seconds this is showcased when Simon absorbed
the Multiversal Labyrinth which was 11 dimensional meaning he jumped several orders
of infinity in seconds.
Spiral Power relies on Willpower the more willpower you have the stronger you will
get. Nia states that the Human spirit is infinite meaning you can harness this power
infinitely. It allows Simon to do various things from creating Forcefields. regenerate
from his thoughts alone, travel to other universes and even higher dimensions, absorb energy worth an ocean and a lot of other abilities.
Power Mimicry
Simon and his crew were able to replicate the probability-altering missiles
after seeing it once. Anti-Spiral was a Spiral race once which meant Simon could also
Regeneration and Regeneration Negation
Simon can regenerate his mech with a mere thought and it should be better
than both Lordgenome and Nia who could survive Quantum Breakdown and erasure at
the informational level for a week straight. He also defeated Anti-Spiral bodies made
of thought and the mind who could survive full obliteration.
Higher Dimensional Existence
absorbed every version of himself including past, present and future as well.One of these versions was writing Gurran Lagann.
Probability Manipulation
Simon’s Probability altering missiles makes the missiles hit his target 100% should
be comparable to Anti-Spiral who can alter multidimensional probability.
Weaknesses
Ben 10
Despite Ben numerous aliens all of them have weaknesses such as being not suited
for combat or stuff such as getting overwhelmed physically or their ability also most
have unique weaknesses such as Electro magnetic waves or weak spots.
The Omnitrix is also not the perfect weapon whilst it used to cause DNA disfiguration
before he had master control. Ben also has a habit of slapping the watch which can
cause its timeout to malfunction causing him to stay as an Alien he wants for only
seconds or an Alien he doesn’t want to for Hours.Whilst Master Control allows Ben
to change from Alien to Alien quickly it causes the Omnitrix to time out.Also restraining him so that he can’t activate the Omnitrix is also a way to keep
him away from his Alien forms as the Omnitrix’s faceplate needs to be touched to activate.
Simon isn’t perfect, he has had his weakness shine through, for example when his
willpower dwindled which caused Kamina to pay the price as he was afraid and other
emotions can alter his will being fatigued and lack of concentration are also reasons
he could lose his will. Whilst talking about willpower it is the main source of Spiral
Power meaning if he willpower is gone so is his Spiral Powers. Early one in the show
it's been shown that he and Kamina needed to eat so he can't fight on an empty stomach.
Resistances
Ben 10
Himself
Electricity Manipulation: survived electrical attacks from Buzzshock
Heat Manipulation: could touch a Pyronite which is made of super-hot plasma energy
Mind Manipulation and Possession : could resist Big Chill’s Hypnosis, Ghost Freak couldn’t possess Four Arms.
Corruption and Madness Manipulation: could break free from Ascalon who could corrupt anyone.
through Aliens and Omnitrix
Transmutation: whilst transformed is unaffected by Corrodium which mutates Human DNA
Hacking and Technology Manipulation: Rex Salzar wasn’t able to Hack Ben’s aliens
Reality Warping: Has fought a Celestialsapien whose main ability is to reality warp.
Alien X DNA defended him from the Big Bang which was gonna recreate the Universe in Maltruant's vision.
Vibration and Elemental Manipulation: should scale to Mother Celestialsapien who was unfazed by Aggregor's attacks
Extreme Cold and Radiation: a lot of Ben’s Aliens can survive in the Vacuum of space.
Existence Erasure: Alien X survived the Universe destruction.
Anti-Matter Manipulation: Ghost Freaks species adapted living next to Anti-Matter sun
Acid Manipulation and Age Manipulation: Diamondhead resisted Acid without any issue. Diamonds don’t age
Explosion Manipulation: Upgrade was unfazed by a large explosion
- Matter Manipulation and Durability Negation: Atomix survived a shot from Tachyon Cannon
Simon
Electricity Manipulation: Can survive attacks from Kuu-Mugann
Absorption: Simon isn’t immune to absorption but he can generate more and more
Extreme Heat and Cold: Can survive in space and walk
Mind Manipulation: Escaped the Multiversal Labyrinth
Density Manipulation: upscales the Spiral Death Machine who could survive being crushed by ultra dense space,
should also be superior than Gunmen who could operate under ultra dense space
Gravity Manipulation: Spiral Power allows to break the laws of physics the faster the user spins,
Causality Manipulation: Anti-Spiral states that they can’t escape their causality
implying they would lose against him however Team Dai Gurren still won
Time and Space Manipulation: Arc Gurren Lagann could punch through time and space and
Spiral Power allowed Team Dai Gurren to break Space and Time.
Transcends time space after absorbing the Multiversal Labyrinth
Age Manipulation: Boota was able to store up enough Spiral Energy to prevent himself from aging for 7 years.
Existence Erasure: Nia could halt being erased via Spiral Power
Mental Manipulation: Nia could break out of her Messenger form to warn Simon
Feats
Ben 10
Saved the world numerous times
Recreated the Universe
convinced Belicius and Serena to give him control over Alien X
Teamed up with and fought Rex Salzar
Defeated Vilgax, Darkstar, Malgax
Strength
Held back the Big Bang (26D) (See Before the Verdict)
Recreated the Universe (Multiversal+) (See Cosmology)
created a Black Hole (609.19 Yottatons of TNT)
Way Big could punch Vilgax into space
destroyed and entropy pump as Humungousaur which emitted energy to destroy several lightyears (9.745 TeraFOE)
a part of Alien X could break open an unbreakable shield that was protecting the Contumelia who state to be 5th Dimensional (5D)
Speed
Jetray can fly across the Galaxy (6.8 Billion c)
XLR8 can dodge Lasers (0.32c)
Alien X exist outside of Time and Space (Immesurable)
Durability
Tanks hit from Galactic Gladiator
Diamondhead can survive getting punched to another Planet (86.26 Kilotons of TNT)
Cannonbolt survived a fall from Orbit (22.98 Tons -1.47 Megatons of TNT)
Simon
Feats
Escaped the Underground along with Kamina
Became the leader of Dai-Gurren despite being 14
Became the leader of Kamina City
Married Nia
Defeated Viral, Beastmen army, Lordgenome and Anti-Spiral
Strength
Gurren Lagann creates a huge crater (402.53 Kilotons - 3.47 Megatons of TNT)
Broke through Bedrock (17.2 Megatons of TNT)
Blasted a Giant Mugann (2.26 - 6.84 Terratons of TNT)
punched through time and space (Multiversal+) (See Cosmology)
Super Galaxy Dai Gurren’s Humanoid form has so much Spiral Energy
The kinetic energy of giga drill break (704.93 Terratons - 1.23 Petatons)
A feat where idk what happens (Universal)
Absorbed the Multiversal Labyrinth which is a 11-Dimensional (11-D duh)
including a Simon who wrote Gurren Lagann and made the
Simon from the Manga real (R>F) (See before the Verdict)
Speed
scales to Kittan and Kamina who could dodge arrows (Mach 0.94)
dodged a shot from Teppelins Hammer (Mach 10.36)
scales above adriane who can block bullets (Mach 3.84 - 10.9)
Simon flew through the Galaxy (243 Billions c)
Hit an infinite amount of targets in an plank instance (3.2320924e71c - 4.6e+117c)
Dodges Anti-Spiral attacks which can cross millions of light years in seconds (25 Quintillion c)
can attack throughout all time and space (Immeasurable)
Durability
Got punched in the face by Kamina
could endure punches from Anti-Spiral
could survive a massive tidal wave made by Adiane (23.81 Megatons of TNT)
was fine after Goozu fell into Giha Village (433.9 Tons of TNT)
survived Teppelin’s Hammer (2.79 Terratons of TNT)
Before the Verdict
Cosmologies
Ben 10
Singular Timelines
These singular timelines have alternative dimensions stated to be numerous times infinite in size.This means any character or object destroying this makes them Multiversal +.
Crosstime
Crosstime is a collection of all timelines showing us all the alternative timelines that have been created by small decisions. This space is stated to be all time and space which is stated to be 17-Dimensional.
6-D to 17D
The Forge of Creation
The Forge of creation is the start and center of the universe where the Celestialsapien are born and reside. The forge of creation is out of sync of time.It can only be accessed by anyone with the map of Infinity and Celestialsapiens and Paradox. Due to it being beyond human comprehension Paradox locked it away so no one knows about it.
17D
Simon
Normal Universe
The Normal universe has been stated in numerous adaptations to be infinite in size making it Multiversal+
The Multiversal Labyrinth
The Multiversal Labyrinth is a multi-layered construct which traps Team Dai Gurren in an infinite multiverse where they live through their infinite universe whilst their minds are trapped. This construct was stated by the writer of Gurren Lagann Nakajima stated “The Multiverse is 11-Dimensional”. This construct infinite universe has unique Simon’s that later get absorbed by our Simon which I will come back to in a second.
11-D
Anti-Spiral Universe
This universe was created by Anti-spiral. The universe resides in another universe with a different dimensional axis. It has Anti-Spiral’s analysis room which is separate from time and space. The Universe is also infinite in size and at the edge of the multiverse and also closed off? Anti-Spiral also has control over it which means he can control the flow of time making it a 11-D + 1 Temporal Dimension.
Infinite 11-D
Before the Verdict
26-D Ben
So this argument comes from an episode where Naljian asks Ben “you can only perceive 3 Dimensions right?” to which Ben answers “Yeah? How many are there?” to which Naljian answers “Only 26 that matter”.
And with it being confirmed that Celestialpians are the strongest race in Ben 10 being stronger than Naljians being second who are 26 Dimensional beings so that means Alien X is 26 D right?
Not exactly firstly there are some problems the creator states that they can become Omniscient however if they all have to agree which even if they do they would “be undone by either phenomenon” so they can but don’t do it due the risk of destroying the universe.
Another point is the map of infinity the map is stated to extend through 17 Dimensions and anyone who has it can travel to anywhere they want including the forge of creation meaning its 17D not 26D.
There also the fact that the Chronosapien Time Bomb could kill Atomic-X someone who is Omnipotent and Alien X is also Omnipotent would most likely also be killed by it as the creator state “Time Bombs don’t care”
so overall 26D is a shaky high-end.
Reality > Fiction
Anyone following the VS scene knows what Reality over Fiction is if not let me explain.
It basically is when a character is superior to another world and sees that world as fiction. And Simon has the argument due to absorbing every version of himself which consistent of Otoko Simon if you’ve seen the Death Battle of Simon vs Kyle (which I assume most of you have if not WHAT ARE YOU DOING GO WATCH IT) they mention Otoko Simon as the Mangaka Simon so who created Gurran Lagann as a Manga in his world and using his Spiral Power made his fictional Simon come to alive and he could also manipulate the plot of said Manga so this qualifies as R>F however there are rules that have to be followed cuz if not its not R>F.
The rules are listed in the VSBW FAQ and their page for R>F.
Otoko Simon by using his Spiral Power he was able to tie his 3-Dimensional Universe to his Manga’s 2-Dimensional Universe allowing Garlock (Manga Simon) to use spatial teleportation which had him be brought to Otoko Simon’s Universe
Is this a valid way to get Simon to Outerversal?
Yes as Spiral Power is used when transcending higher planes of existence as it binds life forms and universes together shown when our Simon used Spiral Power to travel from his 3-Dimensional Universe to the Anti-Spiral 11-Dimensional Universe and not to mention Spiral Power can connect lower realities with higher ones.
Granting Simon Outerversal levels of power.
Verdict
Strength
Both Simon and Ben can reach Multiversal easily so this comes down to their universe sizes. Both at the very least have Multiversal+ strength however at a first glance it seems Ben has the edge as Simon only scales 11-D and Ben is slightly higher at 17-D however Simon’s a Spiral Power is unlimited allowing him to grow stronger with more Spiral Power meaning that he can grow stronger and stronger until he reaches or surpasses Ben in strength so while Ben starts stronger he will be surpassed throughout the fight.
also Outer Simon
giving the point to Simon
Speed
with finite ends Simon is about 8.273381e+104 times faster however with
infinite ends there equal in speed pretty straight forward.
Speed is a Tie
Hax and Abilities
Hax wise both have various ups and downs for example Alien X has size manipulation it stated that he can grow to the size of a galaxy issue Simon as STTGL is immeasurable in size meaning he gets dwarfed in size easily. Another example is Alien X can fight other Celestialsapiens who can reality warp meaning Simon can’t do any reality warping himself against Ben.
Whilst Ben has more abilities due to his varying aliens Simon’s Spiral Power allows him to resist a lot of Ben’s Trump Cards such as Existence Erasure and Regeneration as Nia (aka best wife in the universe) used her Spiral Power to survive existence erasure and Simon should be able to do the same. Simon could also negate Anti-Spiral’s healing factor meaning Simon could do the same to Ben his probability manipulation also screws Ben over as this means he can make Ben miss all of his attack or make all of his attack hit Ben.
This point goes to Simon
Advantages and Disadvantages
Ben 10
Advantages
Starts off stronger
way more abilities
Smarter
More Experienced
could most likely absorb Spiral Energy via numerous aliens who could absorb Mana
Reality Manipulation resistance
equal in speed
Disadvantages
Eventually gets surpassed in strength
if finite speed is used is massively slower
Regen gets negated
is way smaller
Existence Erasure gets negated
Can’t do anything against Probability Manipulation
Simon the Digger
“My drill is the drill that creates the heavens!”
is stronger regardless if R>F is bought or not
faster with finite speed
equal in speed with infinite speeds
Spiral Power is busted
busted regeneration
can negate Ben’s regeneration and negate erasure
size advantage
Probability Manipulation
could outpace Ben’s absorption
My top 3 MC’s of all time
Disadvantages
starts off weaker
no resistance to reality warping
not as smart
isn’t as experienced
not much variety in abilities
Due to Simon’s overwhelming strength and willpower Ben will have to time out this one
The Winner is
Simon the Digger
I wanna give a huge thanks to u/itownshend17, u/Dorkvader75 and u/jokertenn for their help with this blog and for explaining both characters as best they could.
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